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Post by ashahalasin on Mar 7, 2009 16:41:28 GMT 10
So I figured since this is a forum about Canberra metal there should be a discussion topic about it.
Do you feel there are enough clubs in your area that play metal?
Are you satisfied with these clubs? (ie, drinks reasonably priced, decent bands, decent PA et al)
Should more be done to promote metal in Canberra?
Is there a lack of quality (or even mildly adequate) bands coming out of Canberra?
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Feel free to add your own questions and i will put them in the OP.
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Post by Airgedlamh on Mar 16, 2009 18:56:51 GMT 10
The availability of live venues in Canberra are really lacking! But then again maybe people just aren't looking hard enough. The Basement, The Holy Grail, The Pot Belly, ANU, Youth Centres are the most well known options. Also The Lighthouse
I have thought about it but never put too much research to it, what about clubs? Labour Club, Southern Cross Club, Vikings club?
I think more should be done to promote live music in Canberra, or more to the point, for a start, live music. Of the venues listed above only one actively seeks to promote live music consistently, The Basement. Other venues aren't really there to support live music. They are there as bars and can find live bands tedious and are happy with how they are and just wait for the right opportunity to approach them.
I like the idea of what you see a lot of in Europe of a location being a cafe in the morning then a live venue in the evening. But given noise restrictions in many areas this is just not viable. It frustrates me how people move into new apartments in a given area knowing well what is around and then complain.... this is likely to happen to The Lighthouse in Belconnen with a new apartment building likely to go up next to it and effectively close their beer garden at 9pm.
Rant Rant Rant Rant Rant...
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Post by ashahalasin on Mar 17, 2009 7:43:49 GMT 10
Not really a rant when it's fully justified, but yes, if the new apartment building fucks up the Lighthouse, that is fucked.
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Post by gorechild on Mar 17, 2009 16:01:36 GMT 10
Yeah, its a bummer how the green room closed down, it was one of the only good venues on southside.. we have 'the venue'.... ... ..i suppose thats ok.. if only they had some good shows
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Post by eternalterror on Mar 17, 2009 17:33:53 GMT 10
this is my metal club of choice... if one of these isnt at hand maybe a nine iron will suffice
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Post by Missmanagement on Mar 17, 2009 18:14:47 GMT 10
this is my metal club of choice... if one of these isnt at hand maybe a nine iron will suffice LOL. Very helpful contribution, thank you.
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Post by gorechild on Mar 19, 2009 20:25:33 GMT 10
oh no i have no metal clubs, lucky i keep this nine iron handy, just incase! hahaha. sweet
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Post by olmate on Apr 8, 2009 21:24:07 GMT 10
The availability of live venues in Canberra are really lacking! But then again maybe people just aren't looking hard enough. The Basement, The Holy Grail, The Pot Belly, ANU, Youth Centres are the most well known options. Also The Lighthouse I have thought about it but never put too much research to it, what about clubs? Labour Club, Southern Cross Club, Vikings club? I think more should be done to promote live music in Canberra, or more to the point, for a start, live music. Of the venues listed above only one actively seeks to promote live music consistently, The Basement. Other venues aren't really there to support live music. They are there as bars and can find live bands tedious and are happy with how they are and just wait for the right opportunity to approach them. I like the idea of what you see a lot of in Europe of a location being a cafe in the morning then a live venue in the evening. But given noise restrictions in many areas this is just not viable. It frustrates me how people move into new apartments in a given area knowing well what is around and then complain.... this is likely to happen to The Lighthouse in Belconnen with a new apartment building likely to go up next to it and effectively close their beer garden at 9pm. Rant Rant Rant Rant Rant... A totally justified rant though man, and although i may be the newest newbie, I'm gonna have one of my own..... From my obsevations over the last few years, the problem isn't necessarily the lack of venues, but more the fact that A) none of the current venues are 100% suited to live gigs, and B) people are unbelievably lazy/picky. What Canberra needs is a venue which is 1. Central (the Anu has this) 2. has good sound (the Basement has this) 3. has little in the way of things to distract people from watching the bands who are sweating their arses off on the stage (the Green room HAD this). What people need to do is deal with the fact that we don't have a "perfect" venue, so sometimes you need to put in a bit of effort. If the gig's in Belco and you live southside (or vice versa) it's only a 20 minute drive for fucks sake. Or if you wanna get on the piss, get some mates together and call a maxi cab! If the sound isn't up to your exacting standards in any particular venue, either buy a PA, set up a venue and do a better job - or shut up, grab a beer and get over it. Lastly (and this is the one that does my head in) when you pay good money to go to a gig, WATCH THE BANDS!!!! So many times i've seen bands play to a practicaly empty room, while the beer garden's packed with people sceaming into eachothers ears! WHAT THE FUCK?!?!? I agree on the point about new apartments etc, but realistically it's probably pretty unlikey to happen near the the Basement or the Anu Bar so it shouldnt affect the metal community too much. Anyway, rant over, i need a drink........
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Post by ashahalasin on Apr 9, 2009 10:13:00 GMT 10
Not really justifying the fact that people don't watch, but sometimes people just like to drink with good music in the background. Admittedly you could do it at home, but at least they still pay entry.
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Post by Missmanagement on Apr 9, 2009 13:48:43 GMT 10
Not really justifying the fact that people don't watch, but sometimes people just like to drink with good music in the background. Admittedly you could do it at home, but at least they still pay entry. Agree. Different people go to gigs for different reasons. Most bands (especially at a local level) don't mind if people watch or not. I like to see groups of people all over the place at a gig and moving around too, it makes it more social, even if no one is actually being social. I notice more girls go to ANU gigs than Basement gigs. I don't know if most girls feel the same as I do, but clean toilets a security guard and no dirty old dudes really wins me over. Also, your nice new shoes not sticking to the floor and being able to sit on the chairs is a plus! (Fuck, am I saying this because of that stupid cereal ad?! Fucking TV!) I also notice that there seems to be less tension at ANU gigs than Basement gigs. I think this is because generally metalheads are solitary, anti-socials, so it helps being in a bigger, roomier venue where you're not crammed into a corner like sardines. After all, the only time dudes touching dudes is not gay is in the mosh pit.. Right?A dedicated metal venue would be awesome. And just because it hasn't happened, doesn't mean there aren't people thinking about it. It's a huge undertaking though, not to be taken lightly. I think sometimes people don't put enough thought into the actual gig. I like a varied gig, not all the same style bands on one bill. Each band should be as good or better than the last. I shouldn't have to stand in the crowd trying to work out what you're trying to play. Use your own equipment, why would you want to have the same guitar sound as another band? And please don't put a doom band between 2 fast bands!! It sucks the energy right out of my soul. LOL.
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Post by ashahalasin on Apr 9, 2009 14:13:52 GMT 10
Agree. Different people go to gigs for different reasons. Most bands (especially at a local level) don't mind if people watch or not. I like to see groups of people all over the place at a gig and moving around too, it makes it more social, even if no one is actually being social. This +1 What ad? My TV doesn't work. And the toilets at the basement suck, and really there should be at least one security guard at a venue. You have drunken metalheads with opinions, things aren't always going to go down smoothly. I noticed at least 2 dirty old dudes at ANU lol. I don't know I find alot of metal heads are more packs than solitary you each have 2-4 people you'll talk to and ignore the rest. But yes the roomier the venue the better. Remember: it's only gay if the ball's touch! I'd try and do it, but I am in no way knowledgable enough, nor do I have the financial ability to something like this. Otherwise I seriously would consider it. You really contradicted yourself here about crossover gigs. Generally crossover gigs will attract less people because alot of people like specific genres. So if there is only one band on the bill they like, they might not show up. Whereas if you keep all bands relatively similar to each other, then the likelihood of a person liking more than 1-2 bands on the bill increases, as will their chance of coming out. Wall of text crits Canberra Metal for 10'000.
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Post by Missmanagement on Apr 9, 2009 14:31:54 GMT 10
Some ad for cereal, they say "that's a plus", "this is a plus" etc. Must be called something PLUS... Good ad, I really remembered the brand!
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Post by Missmanagement on Apr 9, 2009 14:38:15 GMT 10
I find that gigs with bands of the same style are poorly attended and varied gigs are well attended. I've always thought this, perhaps it's a Canberra thing? Although, the styles shouldn't vary too much, they should compliment eachother.
I don't know any metalhead that only listens to one style of metal.
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Post by ashahalasin on Apr 9, 2009 15:07:28 GMT 10
Suppose so, if you put on a deathcore night in brisbane, it will be attended by alot less people than if you were say to do a grindcore/death metal night, but I suppose different cities and all. I know most fans listen to more than one style but generally as far as drawing punters go, you need to aim for their preferred style of metal.
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Post by olmate on Apr 9, 2009 15:22:12 GMT 10
Wait up - so you say you want varied gigs (which i agree with), but then you say you don't want a doom band between 2 fast bands? Erm, wouldn't that be the very essence of a varied gig? By saying "the styles should compliment eachother", what you're really saying is that the styles should be similar, thereby negating your original statement about wanting varied gigs.....
The 2 main problems are these: 1. that if you have too many of the same style of bands on one night, people get bored and wander off. On the flipside of that.... 2. If you have variation in the styles of bands, people wander off anyway (or don't even bother to show up) because, as we all know, it would be a crime punishable by death to be seen watching (much less enjoying) a band like say Four Dead, after having just watch a band like say Aeon of Horus
In short - people have short attention spans and closed minds
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