kurt
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Post by kurt on Oct 14, 2009 13:32:41 GMT 10
Your friends are poor Kenny. I know many people who regularly spend in excess of $30 on t-shirts. My friends are probably better dressed than yours I know heaps of people who won't pay more than $20 for a local / Aussie band shirt at a gig regardless of the quality, cost etc. They don't care for your reasons, they just won't buy your shirt.
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Post by Missmanagement on Oct 14, 2009 13:55:11 GMT 10
haha maybe.. But my friends don't care how they dress, they're not gay.. But seriously, how were the bands? How were Tortured with the new drummer? What were the interstate bands like? Does anyone actually go to gigs and watch bands anymore???
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Post by olmate on Oct 14, 2009 14:26:56 GMT 10
ashahalasin - So what you're saying is that you refuse to buy anything unless you believe the profit margin favours the buyer, is that right? Newsflash from the real-world: THAT NEVER EVER HAPPENS!!! Going purely off what you've already said, I'm guessing you've never purchased a TV, a Stereo, any CD's, any furniture, clothes, sanitary products? And shit, you certainly wouldn't have ever purchased alcohol of any kind (especially from a pub) would you? Because if you have EVER purchased any of of these things, i guaran-damn-tee you've paid a fuckload more than 7.5% in profit to the seller!!! In fact, you're more likely to have paid closer to something like 2-300% in a vast number of cases. And you do it anyway, COZ THAT"S WHAT SHIT COSTS!! And yet, you have a problem with paying any more than the absolute bare minimum to support the musicians and bands which make up the music community which you claim to be a part of and support? I agree that the door takings from gig SHOULD cover cost for the bands - unfortunately that aint always the case. And that's were merch sales come in. Despite what you may think, most bands (well, the ones that i know anyway) aren't trying to rip off Johnny Consumer by charging rediculous amounts for merch. They are charging what they beleive thay can reasonably charge so that they can at least cover costs, and in most cases whatever money made in return is funnelled back into the band so they can afford to produce more product and keep the whole thing turning over without having to constantly dip back into their own pockets. And maybe, just MAAAYBE if there's anything left of that outrageous 7.5% profit margin, they might just be able to shout themselves a round of beers as a reward for all the hard work they put into doing this stuff so cheap arse ingrates can bitch about how much a t-shirt costs. The basic implication of what you are saying (whether intentional or not) is that, just because a band is local, they don't deserve to be in a position where they can support themselves. And sorry to say this man, but that's a shit attitude........ Missmanagement - Correct. Basically, some bands are not content to represent themselves with cheap, nasty looking merch. Unfortunately, some folks are too cheap to consider that smalltime local bands are just trying to do the best they can. Uuuuurrgh, rant over.............
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kurt
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Post by kurt on Oct 14, 2009 14:52:08 GMT 10
Good turnout. Tortured with their new drummer were excellent, probably the best set I've seen them do. In Malices Wake (I think) played a great set of old school thrash. Five Start Prison Cell may not be my cup of tea but they did their thing tightly and with conviction Templestowe took names, after the arse kicking. Good to see a young band putting a lot of effort into a show (6+ hours getting shit set up) Maybe the people who say the most on fora are not the ones that actually go to a lot of gigs? But seriously, how were the bands? How were Tortured with the new drummer? What were the interstate bands like? Does anyone actually go to gigs and watch bands anymore???
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Post by ashahalasin on Oct 14, 2009 16:20:53 GMT 10
Shirts with intricate designs, multi-colours and high quality printing are expensive... Consider this when looking at the sale price. Having said that, I know heaps of people who won't pay more than $20 for a local / Aussie band shirt at a gig regardless of the quality, cost etc. They don't care for your reasons, they just won't buy your shirt. This is my point.
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kurt
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Post by kurt on Oct 14, 2009 16:47:57 GMT 10
What, that some cheap prick won't buy something? If they won't spend more than $20 on a shirt, they also probbaly won't buy a cd or pay to get into gigs. (Perhaps even offering to work on a merch stand to get in for free!) Shirts with intricate designs, multi-colours and high quality printing are expensive... Consider this when looking at the sale price. Having said that, I know heaps of people who won't pay more than $20 for a local / Aussie band shirt at a gig regardless of the quality, cost etc. They don't care for your reasons, they just won't buy your shirt. This is my point.
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Post by olmate on Oct 14, 2009 17:30:22 GMT 10
Shirts with intricate designs, multi-colours and high quality printing are expensive... Consider this when looking at the sale price. Having said that, I know heaps of people who won't pay more than $20 for a local / Aussie band shirt at a gig regardless of the quality, cost etc. They don't care for your reasons, they just won't buy your shirt. This is my point. Ahhhh, so the solution is either for the bands to flog cheap, shitty looking merch - which of course you won't buy coz it's cheap and shitty looking... or try and sell a decent product which you also won't buy because apparently it's hugely overpriced....... So it's win-win for the bands Interesting you had no argument for anything in my earlier rant too... Anyway, i'm out, CBF (somebody get me a stepladder so i can climb down from this rather high horse ;D)
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Post by ashahalasin on Oct 14, 2009 18:00:07 GMT 10
(Perhaps even offering to work on a merch stand to get in for free!) I'm hurt. My poor feelings. I buy most bands CD's (I don't download music, never have) and I pay to get into gigs. Yes, I got in once or twice for free in exchange for my services at the merch desk. olmate: It's not that I have no "arguments" it's more of I don't really care. If someone wants it for $30, that's what they'll pay. But since i'm here...you had no real points in your rant, besides the cost of other things compared to merch sold by local bands. Beer at a pub goes towards jobs (both at the bar and the manufacturer's), covering the cost of having bands play, maintenance, bills etc etc. Merch covers the shirt, travel and possibly gear. So it's not really all that valid of an argument. It's a local band, unless you are internationally well-known, the chances of your being able to "support yourself" without getting a real job is slim to none. Your second paragraph was rather redundant. You are stating that people would be whinging about the 7.5% profit costs of the shirt and them being poor. But they wouldn't whinge at the 7.5% they'd whinge at the $38.33%. So you are describing the negative results of two different scenario's as if it was the same. Now, i'd (personally) only pay $25 for the shirt, but as I have stated many, many times. I am a cheap ass. And yes, I would consider bumping up a price by $38.33 percent to be overpriced (for a local band). As an aside, band merch does NOT have to be cheap and shitty looking to be to sell for $20. It's all about the design. I do concede this. However, i'm sure they (Tortured) probably had 4-5 colours and it was double sided, but they could have designed the same shirt for 2-3 colours and had been able to produce with just as good a quality.
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Post by Airgedlamh on Oct 14, 2009 18:07:12 GMT 10
Being in a band is not a cheap task and there is lots of costs you don't see as well eg, fuel to get to jam and gigs, organising posters, legwork to put posters up. Even if a gig covers costs, you're still out of pocket anyway. It's alot of bloody work. Sure you do it for the love of it, but if you're constantly not making money or always only just covering costs you really start to wonder "why bother?" Anyway why are you complaining about $30 for a shirt, i find it ridiculous that people are so happy to pay $50-60 for a hoodie??
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Post by ashahalasin on Oct 14, 2009 18:16:14 GMT 10
When all is said and done there is a good chance i'll end up buying the Tortured shirt. I just don't want to spend $30 on it.
I think the reason people are more accepting of the hoodie thing, is because that is what most bands (local or otherwise) charge for hoodie's. Wether it's a giant rip-off or not. Whereas the standard local band shirt goes for $15-$20.
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Post by alie on Oct 14, 2009 20:36:32 GMT 10
$38.33% profit how can it be monetary and a percentage? olmate you deleted the [glow=red,2,300] cookie[/glow] i didnt go to this show, was also feeling blah. i would have liked to have gone.
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Post by ashahalasin on Oct 14, 2009 20:43:12 GMT 10
$38.33% profit how can it be monetary and a percentage? T-shirt (cost to make) = $18.50 T-shirt (retail price) = $30 Difference in price (profit) = $11.50 Percent of the retail price being purely profit = (profit) / (retail price) x 100 = $11.50 / $30 x 100 = 0.3833 x 100 = 38.33%
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Post by alie on Oct 14, 2009 20:51:30 GMT 10
ahhh so the $ was a typo put there to confuse me
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Post by olmate on Oct 14, 2009 20:53:47 GMT 10
(Perhaps even offering to work on a merch stand to get in for free!) I'm hurt. My poor feelings. I buy most bands CD's (I don't download music, never have) and I pay to get into gigs. Yes, I got in once or twice for free in exchange for my services at the merch desk. olmate: It's not that I have no "arguments" it's more of I don't really care. If someone wants it for $30, that's what they'll pay. But since i'm here...you had no real points in your rant, besides the cost of other things compared to merch sold by local bands. Beer at a pub goes towards jobs (both at the bar and the manufacturer's), covering the cost of having bands play, maintenance, bills etc etc. Merch covers the shirt, travel and possibly gear. So it's not really all that valid of an argument. It's a local band, unless you are internationally well-known, the chances of your being able to "support yourself" without getting a real job is slim to none. Your second paragraph was rather redundant. You are stating that people would be whinging about the 7.5% profit costs of the shirt and them being poor. But they wouldn't whinge at the 7.5% they'd whinge at the $38.33%. So you are describing the negative results of two different scenario's as if it was the same. Now, i'd (personally) only pay $25 for the shirt, but as I have stated many, many times. I am a cheap ass. And yes, I would consider bumping up a price by $38.33 percent to be overpriced (for a local band). As an aside, band merch does NOT have to be cheap and shitty looking to be to sell for $20. It's all about the design. I do concede this. However, i'm sure they (Tortured) probably had 4-5 colours and it was double sided, but they could have designed the same shirt for 2-3 colours and had been able to produce with just as good a quality. Oh man, everything you say is such a typical attitude for someone who has no clue (or more correctly, "don't care", as you so succinctly put it) what actually goes into a band....... But anyway, clearly you think I'm full of shit, and the feeling (on this issue anyway) is certainly mutual. I'll continue to let experience be my guide, you do whatever.......
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Post by olmate on Oct 14, 2009 20:55:59 GMT 10
Being in a band is not a cheap task and there is lots of costs you don't see as well eg, fuel to get to jam and gigs, organising posters, legwork to put posters up. Even if a gig covers costs, you're still out of pocket anyway. It's alot of bloody work. Sure you do it for the love of it, but if you're constantly not making money or always only just covering costs you really start to wonder "why bother?" Anyway why are you complaining about $30 for a shirt, i find it ridiculous that people are so happy to pay $50-60 for a hoodie?? thank you, at least someone sees reason
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