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Post by einsatz on May 21, 2009 0:52:25 GMT 10
Umm, same Rockape where Switchblade played to a handful of people. Bloodduster too come to think of it.... Yea....Again....Quality of bands. Though Bloodduster were at least amusing. It was generally so dead through the week that it was only open 'coz it was legally required. Nostalgia seems to inflate crowd numbers/band skill/coolness of attendees/amazingness of atmosphere. Yea, but you could go in there on a Wednesday night and 10 people you knew were there to have a beer with. The nostalgia thing is pointless and nothing there was being debated. I clearly remember seeing some pretty crap bands at Rockape. Terrace, Terminus, Jaggers, Asylum, Gypsy and ANU too actually. Some gigs are crap, most are pretty good/enjoyable, some are excellent, doesn't matter where or what era. I didn't claim every gig was great. I saw shitty gigs and bands at all those venues too. Can't win them all. I don't see how anybody who's been around as long as you or I can disagree that the number of bands worth seeing in Canberra are very few in comparison to 10+ years ago though. I can dig through some boxes in my garage and scan you some old flyers for an average Canberra gig if you've forgotten what they were like.... After almost 20 years of gig-going in Canberra I would agree crowd numbers are down on "the good ol' days". I would blame internet/pay TV/X-Box/expensive drinks/high cost of living more than lack of good bands or venues. Yea, those are probably partially to blame. I do know a lot of people who don't bother though because the venue is on the other side of town and cab fare there and back is going to be 80 bucks or so. These are people who did frequent the more central venues for mediocre gigs or even just a few beers. If you are going to pay 80 bucks cab fare both ways, 15 to get in, and then whatever drinks cost, most people will only bother if it is something they REALLY want to see....
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Post by kurt on May 21, 2009 10:24:56 GMT 10
Another thing I think has a very large effect it how "spoilt" Gen-Y are when it comes to gigs... My kids, who are around the age I was when I was going to see bands at the Terrace Bar, (with 16 par56's and 3Kw of old school PA) get to go to Trackside/Corinbank/BDO etc.. Not that they're metal gigs but all those festy things have multi-million dollar production and bands they've heard on the radio. Great PA's, amazing lights, the whole shebang. A gig at a local pub is all a bit ho-hum to them and their mates but it was all there was in 1990. I would suggest that many, or even most, of the people who used to go to gigs in Civic are now married with kids and mortgages and couldn't care less about going to see live bands they've never heard of. I used to do laps of Civic, venue hopping to see who was where/what bands were on. Fucked if I'd do it now, I'm too old for that shit Yea, those are probably partially to blame. I do know a lot of people who don't bother though because the venue is on the other side of town and cab fare there and back is going to be 80 bucks or so. These are people who did frequent the more central venues for mediocre gigs or even just a few beers. If you are going to pay 80 bucks cab fare both ways, 15 to get in, and then whatever drinks cost, most people will only bother if it is something they REALLY want to see....
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Post by einsatz on May 21, 2009 22:26:04 GMT 10
I would suggest that many, or even most, of the people who used to go to gigs in Civic are now married with kids and mortgages and couldn't care less about going to see live bands they've never heard of. I used to do laps of Civic, venue hopping to see who was where/what bands were on. Fucked if I'd do it now, I'm too old for that shit I'd agree. I'm one of them, and know several others. The parental BBQs at my place with many of those people get pretty epic at times. Our children will be scarred...hahah In any case, I'm pretty sure a place that was kinda central and put on regular gigs would get a lot of people out, even for mediocre gigs from time to time. When somebody can look after the kids for a night, I'm on that like a jew on a loose dollar. If anything was on, I'd go to it. But with softcock bands and nobody I know turning up to drink with, it's easier to invite people round to the house to drink and pack the CD changer.... And yea, too old for that laps around civic shit, and the 3 day hangovers from a big night out don't help any. I used to love getting wrecked on a Thursday night, waking up feeling a bit off and being fine for work after a bacon & egg roll.
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Post by kurt on May 21, 2009 23:55:51 GMT 10
Gen-X, we used to be the "now" generation... Now the "back then" generation. I'm too old for that shit I'd agree. I'm one of them, and know several others. The parental BBQs at my place with many of those people get pretty epic at times. Our children will be scarred...hahah In any case, I'm pretty sure a place that was kinda central and put on regular gigs would get a lot of people out, even for mediocre gigs from time to time. When somebody can look after the kids for a night, I'm on that like a jew on a loose dollar. If anything was on, I'd go to it. But with softcock bands and nobody I know turning up to drink with, it's easier to invite people round to the house to drink and pack the CD changer.... And yea, too old for that laps around civic shit, and the 3 day hangovers from a big night out don't help any. I used to love getting wrecked on a Thursday night, waking up feeling a bit off and being fine for work after a bacon & egg roll.
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Post by ashahalasin on May 22, 2009 13:41:51 GMT 10
That's alright us Gen-Y's are the 'fat' generation, the 'consumerist' generation, the 'lazy' generation, the 'rude' generation, the 'no respect' generation, the 'gimme gimme gimme' generation.
Well according the papers at least.
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Post by kurt on May 22, 2009 14:48:53 GMT 10
The papers are rarely wrong
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Post by Twaddlefish on May 23, 2009 3:52:13 GMT 10
That's alright us Gen-Y's are the 'fat' generation, the 'consumerist' generation, the 'lazy' generation, the 'rude' generation, the 'no respect' generation, the 'gimme gimme gimme' generation. Well according the papers at least. Technically we're not Gen-Y, either. I was born in 1986 when Gen-X was at it's peak (and roughly lasted until the mid-90s). Gen-Y is much more modern thing, I certainly don't class myself with crass assholes who think they deserve the world on a plate because they were dropped from a bloody orifice.
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Post by ashahalasin on May 23, 2009 11:22:01 GMT 10
Actually i think Gen-Y technically starts at '88.
Could be wrong.
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Post by kurt on May 24, 2009 11:12:00 GMT 10
Couldn't find a authoratative definition, but early '80s seems to be a general consensus. Gen-X is pretty clearly defined as 1961-1981.. Actually i think Gen-Y technically starts at '88. Could be wrong.
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Post by ashahalasin on May 24, 2009 15:26:49 GMT 10
Ahh fair enough. Too lazy to look for an authoratative definition.
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Post by alie on May 25, 2009 13:28:02 GMT 10
haha make it a year later i dont want to be gen Y
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Post by ashahalasin on May 25, 2009 13:34:53 GMT 10
I refuse.
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Post by jdk on Sept 14, 2009 0:05:11 GMT 10
well ok ive noticed alot of points in this discussion if you wanna drink weekdays in a metal atmosphere during the week try the wig and pen or the pheonix or the basment they have metal in the jukebox
MissManagment puts on a regular metal show around once a month at the anu with decent interstate bands more than decent pa get behind it its the only venue that lets bands play that has more than a 170 capacity.
other promoters axis works, mikie etc put on shows at the basement these gigs are great but as the sceene is starting to grow again i think the basment needs to expand as i had to wait in a line for 45 minutes the other night to watch captin clean off I think this has something to do with the fact that its the only live music venue in Canberra now..
i hear talk of more metal at machiato and that the pheonix bar is also doing metal nights
old guys with the back in the day talk pop music and pop culture have made it less than favourable to go to see live bands thats something bands promoters and fans all deal with every gig.
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Post by alie on Sept 14, 2009 9:58:15 GMT 10
i hear talk of more metal at machiato and that the pheonix bar is also doing metal nights machiato = closed according the sign last week
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